Episode 37

Published on:

21st Jun 2022

S3E2: The Marvel Cinematic Universe - Black Widow

In this episode, Mario Sikora, TJ Dawe and TJ Ingrassia discuss the film, “Avengers: Age of Ultron” as a lens to explore the title character in “Black Widow,” and its overarching themes of Type Three. Both films share a common theme of searching for identity, asking the questions “Who am I?” and “How do I express that?” The three hosts also examine a few of the new characters introduced into the Marvel Universe, including Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Yelena Belova, and how they play into the Enneagram.

“I think there’s a sense of her embracing her pain… The Fours that I know, pain is their friend. Instead of moving away from, there’s a moving into the pain, embracing it, feeling it, accepting it, and it seems like pain, personal pain is a huge theme for her throughout the whole series.” - TJ Ingrassia [14:25]

“I think the whole theme of this movie was kind of Four-ish. There was a darkness to it. There was this big question of identity and this question of becoming.” - Mario Sikora [15:31]

“That stood out to me as a really interesting symbol of Three-ness, of how we’re all programmed to one degree or another. We get information from our parents, from our peer group, from society at large of this is the way to be. This is what’s expected of you. This is the way that you can be valuable. And some part of us absorbs that, no matter how much we like to think that we’re not. And part of the work of maturing is learning to separate ourselves from those voices and learning to say, ‘OK, what’s my programming and what’s actually me?’” - TJ Dawe [1:00:12]


[00:01] Intro

[01:16] The relation between this week’s movies

[02:26] First movie: “Avengers: Age of Ultron” 

[05:44] Hosts’ reflections and thoughts on the film

[08:26] The importance of Hawkeye

[12:38] The twins and Type Four

[16:58] Natasha aka Black Widow

[24:57] Ultron’s and Vision’s Enneagram Type

[33:28] The theological themes in the movie

[36:08] The Stan Lee cameo

[38:34] Next film: “Black Widow”

[42:41] The most compelling characters

[44:55] Type Three connections

[49:38] The humor in the film

[50:53] Alexei as a Type Seven

[54:16] Melina’s and General Dreykov’s Enneagram Type

[59:11] Yelena as a Type Three and Type Eight

[1:04:31] The character, Taskmaster

[1:08:41] Outro

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About the Podcast

The Enneagram in a Movie
The Enneagram in a Movie Podcast is a fun and informative way to take a deep dive into understanding the Enneagram.

In the third season of The Enneagram in a Movie podcast, Mario Sikora and TJ Dawe are joined by TJ Ingrassia to explore themes related to the Enneagram in a variety of movies, starting with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

You’ll never see movies—or the Enneagram—the same way!